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Okay, I am beginning to understand, I was confused as to how someone could be both a Liberal and a devout Christian. But what I think I hear you say is that the Bible is a very nice book with useful lessons, but God is actually a man-made fiction. In other words, if all of humanity were to perish today, God would also perish. There is no God external to our own beings. Such a belief system would appear to be consistent with atheism or secular humanism. It would also be consistent with mainstream Liberal thought. Thanks for the clarification.

COMMENT #308 [Permalink]... Freedom Fan said on 12/10/2005 @ 2:27 pm PT...

KenKong

Hi Ann. I am a huge fan. But don't you feel somewhat ashamed for publishing Ms. Cornell's personal information and subjecting her to potential physical harm?

Furthermore, don't you think that suggesting we cavity search only the swarthy types at airports makes you sound like a bigot? Don't you think that the bad guys can figure out how to slip in a white Johnnie Taliban Walker at the airport? Would that make us feel more safe to travel by air? Would that encourage the moderate Muslims to cooperate with the authorities?

Also your lame jokes about killing people are patently unfunny. You only give ammunition to the Liberals when you do that.

You are a brilliant woman, but sometimes you use your mouth instead of your brains. That does not serve you well and certainly does not serve the cause of the Conservative movement.

COMMENT #309 [Permalink]... Big K said on 12/10/2005 @ 3:20 pm PT...

Ms. Cornell, you have it half right. God is Love, and Justice. As I mentioned in many a past post, there is a lot of �lamenting and gnashing of teeth� in the Bible. What of that? If Jesus will save all of us, then why is the man bound and put out of the feast for not wearing his wedding garment (Mattew 22:14). Or what of the cockle that is allowed to grow, then gathered and burned (Matthew 13). Not all who are called will be chosen, and some will think they are doing the Lord�s work. Do any of us know we are truly on the right path? No, we all need mercy, even the greatest of us is a worthless sinner in the eyes of God without repentance and true contrition. Jesus does not say the cockle may have another use, lets keep it, or grow it somewhere else. It is burned. Decisive, no question. If abortion is a choice we are able to make in His eyes, why is it so noxious even to those that support that choice? Because you know, deep down somewhere, that it is wrong. The idea of a choice is false. You know right and wrong, that is good. But by your own admission you will compromise that for convenience.

And Kevin, of course I take my position from my experiences. So do you, and everyone else. The debate is about specific interpretation of the Bible to certain people. That interpretation is what I want to talk about, and is the exact thing Ms. Cornell is avoiding. She continues to tell me to read a certain part or chapter, but does not tell me how she reads it. I have read the Book, as stated, many times. I am familiar with it. I see nothing in there that supports her views and have given specifics, such as those above as to why I come to the conclusions I do. When I challenge her, she changes the subject. She is less open minded than anyone else here, and she can not see that.

And I did feel attacked by her before. I quote scripture, the same she says she reads, and she says I have never said anything that has to do with His words. She continually says people like me are un-Christian, and Nazi�s. She may think she is being funny but those are attacks. I have not found anything she has said here to be funny, I sincerely hope her comedy act is better than this.

COMMENT #310 [Permalink]... Lydia Cornell said on 12/10/2005 @ 3:36 pm PT...

Thank you Freedom Fan, I really appreciate you aksing Ann to take my personal info off her site.

As a follower and student of Christ, and a Christian in the purest sense of the word (meaning I go by Christ's words) --- other labels mean nothing to me. The best book I've ever read is "The Sermon on the Mount" by the beloved English minister, Emmet Fox. It clarifies all the confusing things Christ talks about --- with actual solutions to all our problems in life, the way Christ intended. Prayer (not begging God, but knowing and expecting good --- is the most powerful tool in the universe --- if only we had faith in it.) But all our doubts and judgment of others --- actually arrest or stop God's work through us. When we pray the right way --- by first seeing our part in a conflict, our own flaws --- then we see our fellow man in the right way: as flawed but lovable. Sometimes we are blinded by pride or selfishness... Or moral superiority --- which is not our job. This kind of prayer lifts us up, and inspires others --- and a radical change in character happens --- true humility and compassion for our fellow suffering humans.

Watching this administration, unfortunately I see a lot of corruption, wealthy corporate CEOs taking huge bonues, while eliminating thousands of jobs, home prices soaring, tax cuts for the wealthiest, pharmaceutical firms pushing drugs on us and creating a demand for ADD medication for 6-year-olds (or spraying allergens into the air to create a demand for "Claritin" - this is a joke in a movie I wrote.) Maybe I shouldn't call myself by any political party name. But I am for socialized medicine, higher salaries for police, teachers and soldiers --- and better after-school programs. I want to take care of our own people here in America. Is that liberal or libertarian? I just can't believe Michael Eisner got a bonus one year of 200 million dollars and said Disney couldn't afford to cut ticket prices at Disneyland for two days a year on "Handicapped Days". Or something like that. Anyway, as seen in Katrina --- we cannot store up treasures on earth. Love and helping our fellow man is all that really counts.

COMMENT #311 [Permalink]... Big K said on 12/10/2005 @ 4:57 pm PT...

Ms.Cornell,

All who say they are Christians that practice their faith in some way think they are the true followers of Christ as He intended. Otherwise, they would no be practicing what they are. My question stands, what do YOU read in the verses I mentioned? It is an honest question. I am only looking for an honest answer.

COMMENT #312 [Permalink]... Fingal said on 12/10/2005 @ 10:56 pm PT...

FreedomFan: However, unlike Babs Boxer, Teddy Kennedy, and other uber Liberals, I do have a problem allowing doctors to kill babies in the course of third trimester deliveries (aka partial birth abortion).

I've heard a lot of talk about how bloodthirsty Evil Liberals just drool at the thought of killing a late-term fetus. Or that are there throngs of very pregnant Evil Liberal women clamoring for them. If anyone actually believes that, lemme tell you: it ain't so. I know it's easier to argue if you mischaracterize your opponent, but having heard a fair bit of the debate on the late-term abortion issue, I have yet to hear anyone say that these procedures are either wonderful or of little importance. What I have heard is that they are extremely rare, and are as far as I know only done in cases of medical urgency, and not as a method of birth control.

The problem opponents have with the recent law outlawing late-term abortions is that it has no provision for allowing a doctor to use his/her medical judgement on the issue of medical necessity. So you (if you're female) or your wife/sister/daughter might be legally prohibited from receiving medical care that would protect your/her health. Decisions in these situations are not easy, and are not made easier or more correct by ham-handed know-it-all laws.

Let me pose a counter-question. A lot of concern has been expressed, here and elsewhere, for what is called either a fetus or an unborn child. This entity is seen as a pristine, innocent being to be protected even at the expense of the woman carrying it. Where does all this concern go after the birth event? Where are all the theocrats when it comes to infant health care (or even prenatal health care)? Who among them is on a rampage to provide proper nutrition for all of this country's children, or schools with functioning heating and toilets, or even, dare I say, schoolbooks? Are any of them willing to tell their political representatives that it is offensive to cut benefits for this country's children in order to cut taxes for this country's millionaires?

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